Sarfatti -- Boylan is "Useful Idiot"

rich.boylan@24stex.com wrote:

phi(x) =<0lphi(x) l0 > + &phi(x), where <0lphi(x)l0> is the vacuum expectation value, and m2^<0lphi(x)l0>^2 represents the particle's density of the ground state in the non- realtivistic limit. The action of this field in the presence of gravity is...intrinsic gravitational cosmological constant Lambda/ 8piG receives a contribution (1/2) > m2^<0lphi(x)l0>^2."

RB: Actually, it is taken from the notes of a former Deputy Director, CIA. Your recognition and acknowledgment of this gravity formula, then, indicates you do not consider it disinformation; but rather that it is an actual formulation [co-?]developed by your colleague, Giovanni Modanese of the Physics Department of the University of Turin.

JS: How did you get such a document? Fax it to me at 415 296 0718 so I can check its authenticity. Who is Jesse? Email me a photo of him if you have one and a scanner.

RB: Jesse mentioned that the noted quantum physicist Jack Sarfatti of the San Francisco Bay Area was in a position to be familiar with this classified government gravity formula.

JS: It's not classified.

RB: I'm prepared to accept your attestation that the formula is not now, nor has ever been, classified. This leads to two more interesting questions.

1) How are you in a position to know whether this formula, or anything else, is or is not classified?

JS: Because it's out there on the web for everyone to see who is interested. It was developed by an Italian. It's public knowledge.

RB:

And, 2) If the mere formula is not classified, is its adaptation to specific engineering applications [ARVs] classified?

JS: There is not enough in that formula for specific engineering apps. The government scientists are not that smart yet to be able to do anything practical with it. The physics is not yet at that stage IMHO.

RB: Since the government does not acknowledge the antigravity aerospace vehicles which it is flying, somewhere along the stream of gravitational-control information, the science and technology must be classified.

JS: This is your fantasy I suspect.

RB: Jesse observed, "With regard to Sarfatti, as I can determine it [from the notes], he was on site doing work on the relationship between downed UFO's and back-engineering, to the degree that he assisted in the gravity makeup formulae."

JS: For the record, I would like to see a downed UFO if they exist. I have not seen one. The above formula is relevant. It is from Giovanni Modanese's work.

RB: Then I take it that you are specifically denying the notes of the former Deputy Director of CIA that you:

1) were not only engaged in determining gravitational-control physics based on its extant application in one or more extraterrestrial spacecraft,
2) but also were on-site at a laboratory or other analysis site where one or more such extraterrestrial spacecraft or their field- propulsion component(s) were available?

JS: Yes, that never happened in this universe. I wish it did happen! Maybe it will happen, but it has not happened yet. Let me see faxes of these "notes".

RB: And Jesse added that Sarfatti noted that the captured UFO's field propulsion guidance was focused on the ET pilot.

JS: This is the claim of Colonel Phillip Corso that I cited. It is not my claim. I have no first-hand experience of this.

RB: Just to be absolutely clear, Jesse's report that "Sarfatti noted that the captured UFO's field propulsion guidance was focused on the ET pilot hand" comes from the former Deputy Director CIA's notebooks circa the 1970s, NOT from any statement you may have made since Colonel Philip Corso went public in the last year or so. Are you specifically denying that you had any awareness of field-propulsion guidance's relationship to (ET) pilot's consciousness/control back a couple of decades ago, and provided consultation on this?

JS: Brendan O Regan, who was working for Astronaut Edgar Mitchell on a joint Noetics Institute/SRI project that did have CIA support did suggest ideas of consciousness/gravity control of alien ET craft to me on several occassions during 1973-5 or so. So did ex-Army spook George Koopman, then head of Insgroup in Huntington Beach, later CEO of American Rocket Company in Ventura, CA - again in a very vague way. The point is that no one knew enough physics back then, not even John Archibald Wheeler, to come up with anything specific back then. It just stayed in the back of my mind. Not until Kip Thorne's work on traversable wormholes triggered by Carl Sagan, not till Alcubierre's warp solution with exotic matter, not till Giovanni Modanese's interesting conjectures on superfluid induced metric instabilities, not till Paul Hill's empirical studies in the book Unconventional Flying Objects, did we have anything substantial to go on. But NO I was never shown any such alien vehicle back then. I have not seen one as yet. It is all hearsay fueled now by Colonel Phil Corso's book, The Day After Roswell. See http://www.hia.com/hia/ufodream.html for an interesting clue on this. Danny Sheehan also has some information on all this. So while I had some awareness of this, as far as I could tell it was science fiction, mere rumor, though some of it was from people with military-intelligence connections. Look, if these ships do exist, it would be easy for the Feds to fess up and show them to me and my people and give us a chance to make them fly right. It's not as though I am unwilling to cooperate here. That's why I think these ships may not really exist. What are they waiting for?

RB: ...movement; hence it [pilot and UFO] became as one. The driver always feels the outer skin's 'road feel', so it [the UFO] can handle better than a Corvette at 125 mph in fifth gear in the big curve." Jesse added, "Then again, Sarfatti has these numbers...he can attest to the numbers and even affirm that it is in use today!

JS: No, this is disinformation. I can't affirm that. I would like to, but I have no direct evidence.

RB: Is your inability to "affirm that" due to any national security or other secrecy or confidentiality oath or contract you have been a party to?

JS: NO! That's hogwash paranoia. I never signed any such oath!

RB: And does said oath/contract permit you to even acknowledge that you are under said oath/contract?

JS: No, it does not exist. Let's be clear about this.

JS: I think this "Jesse" whoever it is, is playing you for a "useful idiot". It's great fiction for the X-files. At least the physics is more or less correct as far as it goes, which is not far enough.

RB: My idiocy or mental acumen will be manifest over time. [Indeed! -B:.B:.] Since other elements of Jesse's report have been confirmed by other reliable sources, and by my own observation, I doubt that his report can be airily dismissed as "X-Files". (By the way, there _is_ a considerable amount of valid UFO and covert agency operations information in _some_ parts of _some_ episodes of the X-Files.) That the complex quantum gravitational physics is correct in the CIA official's notes on which Jesse's report is based should give pause at dismissing other elements. (Jesse is not a physicist.)

JS: You could have easily gotten that quote from stuff I have on the web. I have used that exact quote you gave several times in past few weeks in my public exchanges with Larry Crowell and others. It is also on my website.

RB: Matter of fact, formulae even tell a story of the skin association between flyer and craft. It depends on the vacuum expectation value to go particle ground state, and with this you time travel on a wave. They [ET pilots] think it...and go. Sort of like...point-click and ship! Boom... you're there."

JS: This is interesting. Who is writing this?

RB: "Jesse", an extremely-close relative of a former very high CIA official involved with UFO matters.

(continued to Part 2)

(Continuation of dialogue between Drs. Jack Sarfatti and Richard Boylan on notes of a former CIA Deputy Director involving gravity research and mentioning Jack Sarfatti)

RB: I would observe that, perhaps as a consequence of his exposure to this extraterrestrial mind-matter connection, Dr. Sarfatti co-founded a Physics/Consciousness Research Group, 1974.

JS: I presume this alludes to the events in http://www.hia.com/pcr/parsifal.html

RB: That is a correct assumption.

JS: That is one possible interpretation of those events. There are others all weird. But you cannot take what Jesse says 100%. It is classical disinformation. It's pretty good disinformation because they are using more plausible physics. I wish it were true. But so far it is not. I have not seen a crashed UFO in Area 51 or wherever they may be.

RB: If you do not accept Jesse's information 100%, which parts DO you accept, and which do you reject and why?

JS: I would have to see EVERYTHING Jesse says.

RB: ...Monolith filmed by Apollo 10, as well as ongoing analysis of UFO crash retrievals. Jesse revealed that after the astronaut's return to Earth, "Edgar Mitchell was a part of the briefing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff I group, who at that time told them about the known [gravity-control] formulae. RAND Corporation [CIA think tank] holds the key to the formulae."

JS: This is consistent with my encounter with Brendan O Regan who was working for Mitchell. But you could easily be making this story up from my published writings on these events.

RB: ...Jesse went on to add, "Our Navy even set up the United Earth Space Naval Forces. I believe this group to be in existence today."

JS: The United Earth Space Naval Forces is the term I coined in my public writings. So it is clear that you, or someone feeding you, is simply recycling my own stuff. This is classic disinformation, psyops to create a "useful idiot" by feeding their ego. This is not very sophisticated.

Bredan O Regan was working for Edgar Mitchell at Noetics Institute in 1973 when I fist met him with Mitchell, Puthoff and Targ and others at SRI. The Noetics office was close to SRI at that time. O Regan DID mention the consciousness- gravity connection as the key to UFO propulsion-control _at that time_ and also later in England around the time of the Uri Geller tests at Birkbeck with John Hasted and David Bohm (see Martin Gardner's "Magic and Paraphysics" in Science, Good, and Bogus). But the relevant physics was not available back then 25 years ago. It is interesting that Roger Penrose was at Birkbeck back then and since that time has suggested a fundamental connection between gravity and consciousness embraced by Stuart Hameroff of the University of Arizona. One of Hameroff's associates Dr. Yasue is, curiously, obsessed with the UFO mystery and is also a major theorist in the emerging physical models of the mind-matter connection.

RB: If the "relevant physics was not available back then 25 years ago", are you denying that it was being developed? And that you were part of that development, as mentioned in the CIA notes?

JS: Of course, I am part of the development. However, progress has been slow because the funding has been insufficient.

RB: Jesse says that Dr. Wolf was at the RAND Corporation at one point in his career, and developed an 18-foot-wide torus-shaped antigravity field, using counter-rotating magnets.

JS: I am strongly skeptical of this claim.

RB: And what do you base your skepticism on? Have you consulted with Michael Wolf, MD, Ph.D., Sc.D., JD? [Wow -- that's a lot of letters! -B:.B:.] Are you totally familiar with all the classified projects that RAND Corporation has been involved with? Are you claiming that gravity-altering/neutralizing fields do not exist, or cannot be constructed?

JS: I doubt that any human physicist or engineer from this time can make such a device. Yes I am claiming that. If such devices exist, they are not human or if they are human they are not from this time, but from the future. I never met this Wolf.

RB: Thank you for taking the time to consider carefully the information presented in Jesse's report. And thank you for your further elaboration of the involvement of astronaut Edgar Mitchell, renown scientists Brendan O Regan, Hal Puthoff, Russell Targ, other Stanford Research Institute scientists, David Bohm and yourself in tackling the question of the connection between gravity and consciousness around 1973, the same time that the above-cited gravity control formula was developed, that was used by the U.S. military in subsequently designing their own antigravity craft.

JS: The latter is your fantasy. The US Military does not have any antigravity craft at this time. There are no physicists in the military who could design such a craft. Sorry Boylan, that is wishful thinking on your part. I would like it to be true, but it ain't.

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